carlos11 (2015-04-07 23:55:49)

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Sceotile does have a chance. The simple fact that he's a Pokemon character makes him likely.

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Nin10dude789 (2015-04-08 00:11:07)

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There are way too many Pokemon characters already. Mewtwo is more than enough.

3rd party characters may have a lower chance than Nintendo's characters, but that doesn't mean they'll be impossible.

That being said, Banjo does indeed have a higher chance than most people expected. Nintendo and Microsoft did worked together to bring two Banjo games to the GBA. The same case happened with the Viva Piñata games for the DS.

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Nutsy (2015-04-08 00:11:20)

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Clamperl for Smash.

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carlos11 (2015-04-08 00:24:03)

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"2mny pokemans"

Brawl: 6/39=.1538
Smash4: 5/51=.0980
.1538/.0980=1.5694

Before you make a claim as ridiculous as that, do note that the Brawl proportion of Pokemon characters is over 1.5 times greater than that of Smash4. One more Pokemon character is not farfetched. If Nintendo wants to profit from this DLC thing, they know just where to turn to. Pokemon.

(If you want me to count Mewtwo in Smash4, I'd have to count him in Brawl as well. )

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Nin10dude789 (2015-04-08 00:44:53)

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Squrtle and Ivysaur sucked major ass. Nobody even used them.

Smash 4 will now have 5 Pokemon characters. 1 less than Brawl, but really, nobody cares about those Pokemon, that's why Charizard was a stand alone Pokemon.

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Nutsy (2015-04-08 02:05:34)

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Why would you have to count Mewtwo in Brawl? He wasn't playable.

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carlos11 (2015-04-08 03:34:53)

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@Nintendude
That's debatable. I'm sure many people enjoyed playing as Squirtle and Ivysaur. Also, you do realize that Charizard sucks ass in Smash4, right? What you can't deny, however, is how unique the cut Pokemon were. In fact, all the Pokemon characters, unlike characters from other franchises, are completely unique in Smash. But keep in mind I don't want those Pokemon back at all, though. I want Sceptile, a newcomer.
Also, don't make the mistake of thinking the difference in representation across Brawl and Smash4 is as simple as
6-5=1
No, that's incorrect. Look at the numbers in my previous post. Those are significant numbers.

I want Sceptile because we only got 1 newcomer this time. Only 1 (Greninja). Surprisingly, two characters were cut (the ones you mentioned).
Now let's compare that to the amount of cut characters and newcomers in previous games. Let's focus on Melee and Brawl. Melee had 4 characters. Of those 4, two didn't make it to Brawl. However, Brawl added a whopping 4 newcomers. Although 3 of those newcomers came in one neat package, they're all still complete, fully-fledged, independent characters that are bound together only by the Pokemon Trainer and they most likely required as much work to make as any other 3 separate characters. But if you still want to count the three (Charizard, Ivysaur, and Squirtle) as one, that's fine, because that means you acknowledge that Brawl added 2 newcomers, which helps the point I'm making. Smash4 didn't add enough newcomers. Smash4 cut 2 characters and only added 1 newcomer. Mewtwo helps here, but we still can't deny that Pokemon didn't receive the attention it deserves in Smash4. Smash has always treated Pokemon kindly. I mean, in brawl they added 4 unique newcomers, for 's sake. 2 newcomers in Smash4 is not too much to ask.

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@Nuts
I'd have to count Mewtwo because his data is present in Brawl. In contrast, there is no data that corresponds to Mewtwo in Smash4 as of now. This is how it was since Brawl and Smash4 launched. That is, in Brawl, some of Mewtwo's data was there since day one. In smash4, when the game released, there was no Mewtwo to be seen. Of course, now we know that Mewtwo is on the way because Nintendo decided to go ahead and work on DLC. Nintendo could have just as easily decided to make DLC during the Brawl days, but they didn't. If they had, then Mewtwo would have been without a doubt the first character they made.
So the reason that if I count Mewtwo at all I need to count him in both games is this: Mewtwo was not available at launch in either game. Mewtwo's data was always present in Brawl, but never (to this day) in Smash4. Because there's proof that Mewtwo was being worked on but never finished, that alone is enough reason to conclude that he could have easily been made DLC for Brawl. Easily. But in Smash4, there was no such proof. If we had never been told that "Mewtwo is on the way" we would have never questioned his absence.

If I do count Mewtwo in my calculations, along with other DLC characters that are sure to come as well as Lucas, the numbers don't change much. But there's your reason.

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Nutsy (2015-04-08 11:00:28)

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We might as well count Toon Zelda and Dixie Kong too then.

What's the ratio of Mario characters? I'm curious of how many DLC characters we need.

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Bean (2015-04-08 17:06:03)

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"We need more sonic charecters"
"shadow"


If we need a second Sonic character it should be Eggman, not that laughable attempt at SEGA making a character cool.

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carlos11 (2015-04-08 17:48:55)

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Nuts, are you pretending to be stupid? This isn't difficult to understand.

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Nutsy (2015-04-08 17:51:07)

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I understand what you're saying. You're finding ways to make statistics that prove your point. Your point with Mewtwo is valid the way you put it. I'm just being an ass.

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Nin10dude789 (2015-04-08 18:27:08)

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Still too much Pokemon characters, just like there are too many Mario characters.

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carlos11 (2015-04-08 18:43:44)

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@Nuts
I'm not making the numbers, the numbers are already there. I'm not manipulating them, I'm SHOWING them to you. They prove my point.

@Nintendude

"2mny pokemans"

Brawl: 6/39=.1538
Smash4: 5/51=.0980
.1538/.0980=1.5694

Before you make a claim as ridiculous as that, do note that the Brawl proportion of Pokemon characters is over 1.5 times greater than that of Smash4. One more Pokemon character is not farfetched. If Nintendo wants to profit from this DLC thing, they know just where to turn to. Pokemon.


Now if we count DLC in Smash 4, it looks like this:

Brawl- 6/39=.1538
Smash4- 6/53=.1132
.1538/.1132=1.3587

The Brawl proportion is still approximately 1.4 times bigger than the proportion of Smash4. The numbers don't lie, and I believe these are the most unfavorable numbers to prove my point, since I am counting mewtwo in Smash4 but I'm not counting him in Brawl. The outcome is still pretty much the same.

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Nutsy (2015-04-08 19:51:42)

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I think my comment saying Mewtwo is valid acknowledged that the numbers were correct.

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Nin10dude789 (2015-04-09 00:47:34)

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1 difference. Not a big deal. Still has a lot.

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